thats not good

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Sorry for the crappy cell phone pic, but these Kooks hang low... real low. I wouldnt even want to set the car down. I dont think these are 351 headers but jeebus they hang down were the top of the collector is flush with the bottom of the trans.... might have to take them off and get another pair.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/486377794_1706321540_0.jpg

[gearhead]

you mean you think they are 351 headers?


looks like it, i arent they for a 94 up car anyway

[sleeping93]

just get really big wheels

[LX2NV]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/84207190_8d622ce2c7.jpg

[LX2NV]

seriously though, i run bbk 351 headers. for cheaper headers, they fit real good. even with my canfields (raised port), they still fit good. after 2 years they haven't rusted yet either.

[SVTHAHA]

Wow, speed bumps would pull your heads off!

[gearhead]

seriously though, i run bbk 351 headers. for cheaper headers, they fit real good. even with my canfields (raised port), they still fit good. after 2 years they haven't rusted yet either.
matt, those are hanging off a 302..not a 351

[GT350R]

ARe those the ones from Debo? He had them on a 302 that is lowered and they didnt look like that at all. Weird.

[gearhead]

ARe those the ones from Debo? He had them on a 302 that is lowered and they didnt look like that at all. Weird.
was they in a sn95 tho? i am pretty sure those are the ones he picked up

[GT350R]

Not sure if you mean he picked up Debo's or ones out of an SN?

Debo had them in an 89.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

ARe those the ones from Debo? He had them on a 302 that is lowered and they didnt look like that at all. Weird.

Yes they are, he sent me photos and his car is a slight bit taller than mine but they didnt hang down this low


was they in a sn95 tho? i am pretty sure those are the ones he picked up

They were in a Fox, I was going to use them on the 95 I was going to buy before I bought Johns car. I am wonder if the poly mounts lowered the motor any.


There is NO way these are 351 headers because how tight they fit around the starter, if the deck height was any taller it would be smashed onto the bottom of the starter

[GT350R]

Poly mounts are usually styled after the "captured" covertible/92-93 style mounts and are an inch lower then the typical 79-91 style mounts. But I cant imagine Debo didnt have poly's in his car.

[debo]

Mike, I had conv. mounts in the car, with a stock kmember and a 302. What trans is in the car? Aftermarket Kmember? When I switched over to a tremec, they hung super low, until i corrected the the trans height with 3/4" of shim under the back. Are they hanging loose, or did you tighten them down? I would hang them loose, then jack up on the collectors slightly to get another inch or so out of them. The drivers collector should be real close to the trans mount bracket on the body of the car. You should be able to see the scuffs from install/removal. The top of the headers sat flush with the bottom of the factory subframe. IIRC the pass header hung lower. I hope this is of help.
Daren

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/debo181/sideshot.jpg

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Its a stock K member, poly mounts, and a TKO. The picture I took was just of the passenger side header tightened up all the way, I am unsure if they have shimmed the trans but since I just swapped to poly motor mounts I was going to switch to poly trans mount as well so Ill find out soon enough. I havent installed the drivers side header yet cause I am too lazy to yank the steering shaft, and I am not sure how good I feel about bending these extremely nice headers.... I just worry because my car is REAL low.



Ill get better pictures tommorrow

[GT350R]

Ahhhhh. 99.9% of people dont install the Tremec's the right way. If you look into it, they have to go up enough that you have to hammer up the trans tunnel. Everyone uses a standard height trans mount, and the tail has to go up like an inch or two more then that to get a decent driveshaft angle. Then if you picture that, it will raise the heads as you lift the rear of the trans.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Ahhhhh. 99.9% of people dont install the Tremec's the right way. If you look into it, they have to go up enough that you have to hammer up the trans tunnel. Everyone uses a standard height trans mount, and the tail has to go up like an inch or two more then that to get a decent driveshaft angle. Then if you picture that, it will raise the heads as you lift the rear of the trans.


Well the shop that had the car before I got it knows their Mustang stuff well, and if it isnt done thats fine. They had their hands full with a indecisive owner and its on myt list of things to check while im under the car. I just need a angle finder now, or I can use a level on the crank pully I guess and level the motor that way

[gearhead]

indecisive owner isnt even the word for it...

the plans was to do alot of things after the car was torn down, but we see what happened to that

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

indecisive owner isnt even the word for it...

the plans was to do alot of things after the car was torn down, but we see what happened to that



Well if you can remember was it already done or am I going to have to do it?

[gearhead]

did i pull the car apart and redo every thing that needed redone? no...


so check the trans mount...pretty sure its more then likely not right.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

did i pull the car apart and redo every thing that needed redone? no...


so check the trans mount...pretty sure its more then likely not right.



it will have to wait until I am done using vacation time, off to utah I go next week.

Can you get me a good deal on some ARP head studs?

[gearhead]

i'll see what i can do, but jegs has pretty good price on those

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Better pics with a decent camera:


The headers fit REAL nicely up top and around the start but as you can see under the car is a differnt story
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture011-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture015-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture018.jpg


Front View
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture019.jpg

[gearhead]

ok, now looking at the one pic, the header looks nice and level, but looking at the trans mount, i can tell you it too damn low

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

ok, now looking at the one pic, the header looks nice and level, but looking at the trans mount, i can tell you it too damn low



So WTF do I do now

[SVTHAHA]

Can you shim the motor mounts any to get you a bit more clearance?

[SVTHAHA]

BTW, I have some ARP head studs you can have if you want them. They are used but still good. Let me know.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

BTW, I have some ARP head studs you can have if you want them. They are used but still good. Let me know.



Do you know what model?

[gearhead]

So WTF do I do now


get the right trans mount for that, but your going to have to pull the trans and clearance the tunnel for it to fit right..iirc

[SVTHAHA]

Do you know what model?

Not sure they were on the old motor.

[debo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture015-1.jpg
looks like a stock mount with no shims. I dont know of a mount that corrects it. I made one out of alum(spacer that is). I another tell tale sign is, the shifter is super low in the car. I wanna say the base of the shifter doesn't even come through the rubber boot. This was the first thing that made me start looking for something wrong. Another area to look at is, the front side of the crossmember. Without the shims, the bottom of the trans where the fifth gear assembly is almost touches the crossmember.
Hope this helps you Mike!

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/cars/Picture015-1.jpg
looks like a stock mount with no shims. I dont know of a mount that corrects it. I made one out of alum(spacer that is). I another tell tale sign is, the shifter is super low in the car. I wanna say the base of the shifter doesn't even come through the rubber boot. This was the first thing that made me start looking for something wrong. Another area to look at is, the front side of the crossmember. Without the shims, the bottom of the trans where the fifth gear assembly is almost touches the crossmember.
Hope this helps you Mike!



Darren, the shifter sits so high now they removed the ring and boot to make it fit. I am not really wanting to remove my transmission to clearance my tunnel but I guess Ill have to.

[gearhead]

put a sn95 or later trans tunnel in it. make a spacer for the mount to tail, and get some longer bolts.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

put a sn95 or later trans tunnel in it. make a spacer for the mount to tail, and get some longer bolts.



I dont have the equipment to cut and weld

[GT350R]

Darren, the shifter sits so high now they removed the ring and boot to make it fit. I am not really wanting to remove my transmission to clearance my tunnel but I guess Ill have to.

Might be an original automatic car. 5 Speeds had a big hole blasted in with a torch, then a second higher sheetmetal piece was welded over the hole, rasing the hole about an inch and a half.

Easy way to tell is to get the letter for the axle code in the door jamb if its still there.

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Might be an original automatic car. 5 Speeds had a big hole blasted in with a torch, then a second higher sheetmetal piece was welded over the hole, rasing the hole about an inch and a half.

Easy way to tell is to get the letter for the axle code in the door jamb if its still there.



I beleive its a factory manual car, trans tunnel looks just like the 88 sitting next to it.

I need to get an angle finder and get this driveshaft off to set this angle correctly.... any recomendations for a good angle finder?

[gearhead]

I dont have the equipment to cut and weld
i do :)



and why didnt you ask me for the angle finder

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

i do :)



and why didnt you ask me for the angle finder



Cause I dont want to ask you to borrow tools like every other loser out. Besides, I dont want to lose it or break it :)

[gearhead]

Cause I dont want to ask you to borrow tools like every other loser out. Besides, I dont want to lose it or break it :)
LOL..i dont let just any one use my stuff mike;)

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

LOL..i dont let just any one use my stuff mike;)



When I get back I might hit you up then

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

The more I look at this the more I think that if adjust the trans it still wont help these headers out. The tubes will still hang way low and the collector will just point more towards the floorpan and make the exhaust not line up right

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

These are coming off the car for a set of Accufabs and will be for sale. These have to be for high ports and the mounts I have lower the motor to the point these hang too low

[debo]

These are coming off the car for a set of Accufabs and will be for sale. These have to be for high ports and the mounts I have lower the motor to the point these hang too low
These headers are not for High Ports. Im sorry your having so much trouble with them. There are maybe 20 people on this site that can verify how well they fit my car.
http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/show.php?pid=1

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/debo181/headerbill.jpg

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

These headers are not for High Ports. Im sorry your having so much trouble with them. There are maybe 20 people on this site that can verify how well they fit my car.
http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/show.php?pid=1

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/debo181/headerbill.jpg


Well Im not saying they are junk, these things are top notch but they dont fit my car ( at least underneath the car, they fit great near the motor and engine bay). I corrected the trans with shims and all it did was point the collector towards the floor pan more. I am sure on a stock mount these would fit just fine, but apparently my car and your car are different.


Only thing I could do is shim the motor but I already ordered the ones from Accufab