Lots of changes for the Mach 1

[6t9MachI]

Well, I've been collecting parts for the past few months to do alot of changes to my Mach this winter. Here are the plans.

9" 4.11 Detroit Locker w/ Daytona pinion support
AODE transmission w/ manual valve body
Art Carr 9.5" converter
4" diameter driveshaft with 1350 u-joints (this thing is huge and cracks me up every time I look at it)
500+ hp solid roller 357w:

- I'm keeping the same bottom end that I just built for my 400hp 357w build...stock crank, Eagle SIR forged I-beam rods, Probe SRS forged pistons.
- Ported Canfield 192cc heads
- Probe shaft roller rockers
- 11.3 compression ratio
- Custom grind solid roller camshaft
- Vic Jr. intake
- Still looking for a 750-825 annular booster BG Mighty Demon carb
- Tight budget is forcing me to keep my 1 5/8" headers; this motor will eventually get a set of 1 3/4" headers. The small tubes will probably cost me about 10-12 hp up top but help me with torque down low and below 5500 rpms. I wish I had the funds to do the headers now, but oh well.

I've already got the 9" center section in. I've got the transmission but I'm waiting on some tube stock that should come in today to build a custom transmisison crossmember. Once I get the cross member done I'll get the transmission and driveshaft in the car. I've got way too many parts laying on the ground and on my workbench. Its time to get something done so I can actually walk around in my garage!!!

In the near future the car will get some subframe connectors so that I will be able to add the very much needed sticky tires to get this thing to even want to think about hooking.

I'll try to post pictures throughout the build but this build will probably stretch into late spring so hang in there ;)

[LX2NV]

"bitchin" ryan ! sorry .... lack of a better word, but you're on a real good track here. the thing is going to be fun as hell on the street and turn some times and numbers, and be reliable to boot ! let me know when it comes tuning time .... that's my thing, i want to help ! super cool parts you picked out here ! hope i had a smidgen of influnce here. seems to me a year ago you wouldn't have considered some of these parts.

:rock:


oh .... (edit) .... we want pictures !!!


and .... lmk if you want to unload those probe rockers. i'll trade you my brand new comp golds (expensive) + cash ?

[LX2NV]

email jay those flow numbers and EVERYTHING about your setup. everything from gasket thickness/bore to tire size (and kind) ..... being canfields and armed with the flowsheet, put it in jays hands. he knows these heads, plus he will tell you everything (mathmatically) about your engine ...(cranking compression, lift @ tdc, how much timing to run, actual compression). the phone call itself is worth money. 3 people you don't lie to ... doctor, lawyer, and the cam maker.

[neal]

:drool:
diggin the tranny choice
:thumb_beer_cheers:
:rock:

[6t9MachI]

"bitchin" ryan ! sorry .... lack of a better word, but you're on a real good track here. the thing is going to be fun as hell on the street and turn some times and numbers, and be reliable to boot ! let me know when it comes tuning time .... that's my thing, i want to help ! super cool parts you picked out here ! hope i had a smidgen of influnce here. seems to me a year ago you wouldn't have considered some of these parts.

:rock:


oh .... (edit) .... we want pictures !!!


and .... lmk if you want to unload those probe rockers. i'll trade you my brand new comp golds (expensive) + cash ?

You've definitely had some influence. I was originally talking running a solid flat tappet cam and porting my Twisted Wedges. You've also cost me alot more money...you better behave or I will give my wife your name and she will hang you from a tree lol!

[LX2NV]

You've definitely had some influence. I was originally talking running a solid flat tappet cam and porting my Twisted Wedges. You've also cost me alot more money...you better behave or I will give my wife your name and she will hang you from a tree lol!

ROFL ! yeah, i'm pretty good at spending other peoples money. :thumb_beer_cheers: the ol' lady thing ... you're on your own, because i have my own to deal with. join the club bud. that's the price we pay to go fast (or in my case, try to) !

:rofl:

[stangman]

Nice man, that thing is going to be sick.

[6t9MachI]

Well I finally got something done on my car after having it sit with no progress for a couple months. I got the 9" rear end in a while back, but hadnt done anything to it since then.

I picked up a set of 15" wheels with almost new M/T ET streets from another BS member (thanks Kyle!) ...I'm not really digg'n the wheels but the price was right. They still need center caps and they do look better in person then in this picture, but the red and blue pin stripes on the wheels have got to go. At least these tires will try to make an attempt to hook up unlike my hard as a rock street radials. I'll probably eventually get the M/T's mounted on a set of 15" Magnum 500's...my current Magnums are 14".

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I also, finally got my transmission mount welded up. It actually turned out pretty good; fits and everything ;) Way cheaper than buying one already made. I still need to get it painted but here it is in the raw.

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Hopefully, I'll be able to get my transmission and driveshaft installed this weekend.

I've got most of the parts I need to finish the motor; just waiting on Jay at Camshaft Innovations for my solid roller bump stick yet :rock:

[outalime05]

Looks good man, Id have it powdercoated, If you ever need a supervisor I,m about 10 min away:drink:

[96blkformula]

Very nice Mach 1. Looking good, looking forward to seeing updates on it. Nice work on the transmission mount, looks really beefy.

[Junior2561]

The best change you could make - the name on the title to JR Noe ...:rock: looks good Ryan.

[jomull55]

Looks good! :rock:

[6t9MachI]

The best change you could make - the name on the title to JR Noe ...:rock: looks good Ryan.

:rofl: We'll have to go for a spin this summer JR :rock:

[bowlergt]

Dont diss the wheels! lol hope it hooks up for you

[6t9MachI]

LOL! Thanks Kyle. I'm sure that they will hook up alot better than my skinny street radials would have!

[LX2NV]

looks good. i cant to wait to hear it run ! keep pluggin away ryan !

[6t9MachI]

Well, I've got some more pics of progress I made this past weekend. I got the trans bracket painted and got my new Strange slip yoke installed to my driveshaft. I dont' think that I have to worry about hurting this driveshaft or 1350 u-joints :rock:

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[6t9MachI]

Well I got the transmission and drive shaft in today...everything fit like a glove. I didn't have any time to take any pics but will try to take some in the next couple of days. I did find that my u-joint girdles aren't going to work unless I drill out the bolt holes in the pinion yoke...not sure if I want to do that or not considering that there is not a whole lot of material on the outside of the holes in the yoke. I'm looking at alternatives now.

[6t9MachI]

Well I hit a snag in the build that is probably going to cost me a lot of money lol. I've been talking to Jay Allen about my build and there is an issue with my cylinder heads. When I had them flow benched the flow stalled at .600" lift which is not a good thing considering Canfields should gain cfm's all the way up to .900". He thinks that I've got a serious issue with my valve job and/or port shape. The heads are going up to TEA on Monday to see if they can straighten them out. If it is going to cost too much money to get them right I may end up having to get a set of 190cc FAC Twisted Wedge heads. Hopefully, it wont get to that point.

This weekend I'm going to drill out my pinion yoke for the u joint girdle bolts, get the shifting arm on the transmission flipped 180* to work with my floor shifter, install my +1 quart transmission pan and hopefully get the center counsel removed so I can start working on getting my toggle switches installed in it for my transmission controls.

[d_ford]

So do you think you'll get it done before nice weather this year or will it get into cruising time on you again? You gotta learn to leave well enough alone, lol. Just kidding...I can't leave mine alone either.
Hope to see you this year sometime.

[6t9MachI]

Hey Doug! Yeah I'll get it going sometime. Should be done late April or into May sometime. No later than that I dont believe unless it takes me a long time to get my camshaft. Jay is backed up at the current time due to health issues. The fact that I have to hold off on the cam till I get my heads straightened out doesnt help either. It will be worth the wait when its done. Should be in the 530hp-550hp range when completed.

[LX2NV]

that's wild about the heads. gotta be in the valve job, hopefully it's a cheap fix. what kind of valves are in them ? i run ferrera in mine. canfield heads have a excellent chamber design and cooling characteristics, try to work with them. the tfs fast as cast 190 are good heads too. jay usually takes awhile to get things sorted out, allow about a month or so. call ed or buddy if you want to get things moving sooner, all those guys know their s hit. i just prefer jay with the canfields ... he knows those heads.

[6t9MachI]

Valves are Manley RaceFlow valves. Jay hates them but there are plenty of people who use them. Whoever set these heads up got the wrong length valves in them. The exhaust valves are shorter when installed in the heads; thats gonna throw off my valve train geometry unless I run stud rockers and different length pushrods which will get expensive especially if I go with a thicker wall pushrod like a .100 wall.

Jay only uses Ferrea valves; he says I would pick up cfms just going to Ferrea valves but I'd hate to drop the $250+ on them + a valve job + CBB....gonna add up fast. I hope that it is just the valve job; it looks the like intake ports were barely touched so I dont think that the shape is hurting the higher flow numbers. Like I said, the valves are the wrong height so if I get stuck with these shaft rockers I have I'll end up using them and the different heights are gonna throw off my geometry. I'm just playing it by ear right now.

On a lighter note; Jay dynoed his 347w he was building today. Made 694hp or something like that with TF FAC 190's with just a valve job and CBB! Just a Mexican block as well and it held together for 16 pulls on the dyno and still going! I feel pretty safe about reaching my goals with one of his sticks!

[6t9MachI]

Got the shift lever flipped 180* on my AODE for my floor shift today and when I was at it got my +1 quart trans pan installed.

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Hopefully, I'll get the pinion yoke drilled out for my u-joint girdle bolts tomorrow.

[6t9MachI]

I got the u-joint girdle installed on Sunday after fighting with it for 2 hours! I drilled the holes out then found out that the bolt pattern on the Moroso u-joint girdles is narrower than the hole that were in the u-joint. After some grinding with a die grinder I finally got them opened up enough to get the bolts in. Unfortunately had to take out more material then I wanted to. Hopefully, it holds together :goodnbad:

I'm about as far as I can go on the trans... I need to get the motor in to get the trans located where it needs to be; then I can make my shifter linkage. Next step will be to get the motor tore down completely, double check clearances and oiling holes and get the bottom end put back together. Hopefully I'll have my cylinder head situation taken care of shortly so I can get my custom cam ground.

[6t9MachI]

I talked to Mike at TEA on Friday...he said that the valve job was pretty poor and that they could pick up flow across the board with a valve job. I'm stuck on whether or not to get better valves; the ones in the head now are only 5* heads which is pretty darn flat. By the time I put new valves in it I'd have alot of money into the heads. I'm still worried about turbulance at the higher lifts. Going to talk it over with TEA on Monday in more detail.

[6t9MachI]

Gonna have more money than I had hoped in the heads all said and done but they should be pretty sick when completed. Gonna get 12* 2.055" Ferrea valves on the intake side, valve job, and a bowl blend. I'll post pics and new flow numbers when I get them back.

[Junior2561]

This thing will be bad Ryan - can't wait to hear it :rock:

[LX2NV]

Gonna have more money than I had hoped in the heads all said and done but they should be pretty sick when completed. Gonna get 12* 2.055" Ferrea valves on the intake side, valve job, and a bowl blend. I'll post pics and new flow numbers when I get them back.


:bow:

[6t9MachI]

OH BOY! I got an email from Camshaft Innovations today saying that they have my cam designed...he's gonna have to make some changes to compensate for the new flow numbers I'm sure but I should hopefully have the camshaft by the end of the month!!! Hopefully, I will hear from TEA today about my heads :rock:

[LX2NV]

OH BOY! I got an email from Camshaft Innovations today saying that they have my cam designed...he's gonna have to make some changes to compensate for the new flow numbers I'm sure but I should hopefully have the camshaft by the end of the month!!! Hopefully, I will hear from TEA today about my heads :rock:

rock on !!

wait until you see your cam specs !!!

i'm guessing at least .600-.640 lift, and 238/248 or better ++ @50 .... but, it will still have low end and idle like a p ussycat. jay comes up with some cool profiles.

[6t9MachI]

My guess is pretty similar...I was thinking .650ish on the intake and .620ish on the exhaust with 238*/254*. Not sure on the LSA...probably somewhere around 109*-110*...we shall see :rock: Not that I'm going to tell anyone :laughat:

[LX2NV]

rock on !!

wait until you see your cam specs !!!

i'm guessing at least .600-.640 lift, and 238/248 or better ++ @50 .... but, it will still have low end and idle like a p ussycat. jay comes up with some cool profiles.


My guess is pretty similar...I was thinking .650ish on the intake and .620ish on the exhaust with 238*/254*. Not sure on the LSA...probably somewhere around 109*-110*...we shall see :rock: Not that I'm going to tell anyone :laughat:

i forgot, we're talking solid roller here :D i might have been a little conservative with my guess ... i'm still in hydraulic roller la-la land.

[6t9MachI]

Well, change in plans. TEA just called and it looks like I'm sticking with 2.02" valves and the Manley valves I had. They threw a valve job on one of them and did some bowl work and I picked up 27cfm @ .300", 23cfm @ .400", 7cfm @ .500", 4cfm @ .550", 1cfm @ .600" and it flowed 292cfm @ .700! These things are flowing 215cfm @ .300" and 260cfm @ .400"! Average flow from .300"-.700" is 267cfm. Exhaust picked up big time as well, not that they needed it. Exhaust is flowing 250cfm @ .600". They now feel that the pushrod pinch is the bottleneck so they are going to do some port work on the pushrod pinch to free things up. Hopefully some more flow in the higher lifts. I wish I had a stronger transmission now lol! If the rods could handle it this thing could make some serious hp.

[mogs01gt]

Sounds like a sweet build! You have chassis support on that sucker right?

[6t9MachI]

Its going to get sub frame connectors.

[LX2NV]

you're goint to be happy in the end ryan ! :rock:

[GOBLIN]

Nice...........sounds like your gonna have one helluva ground pounder when your done!

[6t9MachI]

Got the new flow numbers today :scared:

.100" 71.2 59.7
.200" 149.6 119.7
.300" 214.7 178.4
.400" 262.1 224.4
.500" 291.1 239.8
.550" 295.4 243.9
.600" 300.6 249.2
.650" 304.3 253.7
.700" 308.0 258.2

Read'em and weep :box: The exhaust @ .300" lift almost out flows the intake port on a set of GT40's :rofl:

[Junior2561]

:drool:

[LX2NV]

Got the new flow numbers today :scared:

.100" 71.2 59.7
.200" 149.6 119.7
.300" 214.7 178.4
.400" 262.1 224.4
.500" 291.1 239.8
.550" 295.4 243.9
.600" 300.6 249.2
.650" 304.3 253.7
.700" 308.0 258.2

Read'em and weep :box: The exhaust @ .300" lift almost out flows the intake port on a set of GT40's :rofl:

wow ! not too bad for some "little" 195's huh ;) ... ? imo, when you get over 300cfm on the intake, and 250cfm on the exhaust and the thing is going to run with matched components. canfields flow very well on the exhaust side. this is why i'm considering cnc'ing my canfields. currently, they're just "blended" with some ferrera valves. i'm not sure they have enough cross section to support a 393, this is why i'm considering a stock stroke 351, cleveland main, forced induction 351 (blower, turbo?). i think i could re-use (and rework) my canfields to work pretty well. plus, the thing will wind up pretty quick.

yes, i now see that your cam will spec out at at least .650" +. hopefully, this thread will help some understand cam profiles. it's those low lift numbers that really give you beneficial gain. :deal: this is why i tell people with iron 40's that anything over .500" lift and the cfm's fall on their face. if not having your heads on a flow bench, you at least need to do a little "e-researching" to at least get a clue as to what your heads flow so you can select a proper cam. figuring duration and centerline is just as improtant, but a different topic .....


those are kick ass numbers ryan !

[6t9MachI]

Power is made with the .300" and .400" lift numbers. The cam will only see those peak numbers for a few degrees of the cam.

Matt, I'm excited to see where Jay specs this thing out at...I think this thing is going to be a beast.

[LX2NV]

Power is made with the .300" and .400" lift numbers. The cam will only see those peak numbers for a few degrees of the cam.

Matt, I'm excited to see where Jay specs this thing out at...I think this thing is going to be a beast.


It's going to be cool.

[6t9MachI]

I think that you need some 225 High Ports for that 393w, Matt :rock:

[LX2NV]

I think that you need some 225 High Ports for that 393w, Matt :rock:


Those or AFR 225's

[6t9MachI]

AFR 225's have more cross-sectional area then a High Port (AFR has shorter intake runner). Better look at TEA's 245 High Ports ;) :drool:

[ccrunnergb]

so whats next on the project? you get the cam and heads back. Looking forward to hear this and compare to my car so see what it could be like in the future. Whats the goal to get this thing running? May or June.

[6t9MachI]

Probably May...depends on when I get the cam. Need to know the cam so I know what springs to put on the heads. Then, once I get the bottom end taken apart, and put back together, I've got to get the intake manifold ported. In the mean time I'm taking care of all the other little things that really add up. This past weekend I rebuilt the steering column rag joint, installed the steering column and wheel, installed an oil pressure gauge, and hooked up the transmission oil temp gauge. I've got to install the toggle switches for my transmission controls in my console yet and a couple other little things but I'm pretty close to just being down to getting the motor done. The cam is what is really setting me back right now.

[LX2NV]

Call jay and see if he will give you spring specs, he did for me when I was at where you are at.

[6t9MachI]

Call jay and see if he will give you spring specs, he did for me when I was at where you are currently at.

Jay's voice mail tells you to get in touch with him through email...basically he is not returning phone calls. He is still backed up because of his health issues. He already designed my cam once, I'm just waiting on a redesign. I believe that TEA will be able to do the springs before I get my cam from Jay ;)

[6t9MachI]

Well, I ended up having to go with a different cam grinder. I just couldnt get any answers out of Jay. I turned my build sheet into Ed Curtis yesterday and he is already working on the cam today. I'm guessing that I will have it inside of 2 weeks, lol! He has been top notch so far! We have had 5 emails of conversation in just a few hours...heck I wasnt able to get ahold of Jay 5 times in 2+ months :beef:

[LX2NV]

man ...... Jay is his own worst enemy.

[6t9MachI]

I've been working on the wiring and the toggle switches to control the clutch lock-up and overdrive on my transmission. This is actually one of my favorite parts of the whole build (other than drilling into an original '69 center console!) I'm mounting the toggle switches where the cigarette lighter was originally. These pics are of the switches mocked up, but I'm waiting on some 30 amp switches to replace these 20 amp switches. Hopefully, I will have the console back in the car by the weekend. I just used an aluminum sample piece that was laying around our shop for the mounting plate; its since been painted charcoal metallic black to match the rest of the interior.

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[6t9MachI]

Here are some pics of the finished console...going to start work on the motor this weekend.

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